City of Lawrence, KS

Board of Plumbers and Pipe Fitters

March 19, 2008 minutes

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:

 

Co-Chairman Doug Dillon, Kenny Breithaupt, Chuck Hoag, and Jim Carpenter

 

 

 

MEMBERS ABSENT:

 

Chairman Frank Lewis

 

 

 

GUEST PRESENT:

 

Paul Werner, Paul Werner Architects; Dan White, IPS Studor Johnson and White Sales; Dustin Johnson, IPS Studor Johnson and White Sales; Mark Anderson, Barber Emerson L.C.; Matt Gough, Barber Emerson L.C.; Tim Homburg, WSPJ Architects; Steve Burd

 

 

 

Ex-Offico:

 

Mark Mills, Plumbing Inspector

 

 

 

 

Call meeting to order.

 

Dillon called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.

 

Introductions.

 

The Board Members and guests introduced themselves.

 

Approve the September 19, 2007 minutes.

 

Breithaupt made a motion to approve the minutes. Hoag second the motion, the motion passed 4-0.

 

Hear request to repeal section 5-504.8 of the City Code.

 

Dillon turned the floor over to White for a power point presentation on Studor brand air admittance valves. White explained that the developer involved with the Oread Hotel project was interested in using Studor air admittance valves on their project and they were there to appeal to the Board.

 

White’s presentation detailed the manufacturer’s requirements, example applications, video demonstration of the Studor products, and the standards to which the products are tested.

 

White pointed out several benefits of using air admittance valves. As one example White sited less structural damage as a result from less vent pipe. White mentioned there would also be an economic benefit.

 

Werner projected that there could be up to a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar savings and stressed to the Board that his company was not interested in recommending an unproven product.

 

White concluded his presentation and asked if there were any questions.

 

Breithaupt asked what the life expectancy was for the product. White responded that the warranty would be for the life of the structure.

 

Carpenter stated that he did not have a problem with the devises but his concern was if the devise malfunctioned or was damaged that maintenance people may not replace the product properly. Carpenter continued saying he was inclined to allow the use of air admittance valves on a project like the Oread Hotel.

 

Staff stated that the current issues raised did not warrant the restriction in the ordinance and recommended that the Board look at deleting the section 5-504.8.

 

Hoag agreed with staff’s assessment.

 

Anderson agreed as well and stated with the deletion of section 5-504.8 the text of the code would allow the use of air admittance valves.

 

Carpenter stated that deleting the section would allow it in a triplex but it would not be allowed in a duplex. Carpenter added that he would like to have the ordinance continue to restrict the use from multifamily occupancies.  

 

Dillon made a motion to delete section 5-504.8. Hoag second the motion, the motion passed 3-1 with Carpenter the no vote.

 

Breithaupt spoke up and asked to change his vote. Breithaupt said that he thought the hotel should be allowed to use air admittance valves but did not to make that decision. Breithaupt continued saying that if denied the appellant would go to the Commission and get it approved. Breithaupt then asked why Carpenter was against the use of air admittance valves.

 

Carpenter replied that he did not have an issue with air admittance valves being used on the hotel project. Carpenter explained that it was being able to use them in multifamily applications such as a triplex that was his concern. Carpenter suggested allowing the use in building over three stories in height.

 

Breithaupt asked that since the Board voted to delete the amendment for the International Plumbing Code did the Board have to delete the amendment for the International Residential Code.  

 

Staff stated that it was not necessary for the Board to change the corresponding ordinance relevant to the International Residential Code. Staff reminded the Board that a motion to delete the amendment was approved and if the Board wished to go a different direction the motion to delete would need to be addressed.

 

Carpenter stated that it would not be right to allow the use in a triplex and restrict the use in a duplex. Carpenter continued saying that if the Board was going to allow the use of air admittance valves they needed to allow it through out the codes or put a floor height restriction on the use.

 

Breithaupt made a motion to revoke the last motion and consider an alternative. Carpenter second the motion, the motion passed 3-1 with Hoag the no vote.

 

Hoag explained his vote stating he was in favor of removing the entire amendment.

 

Carpenter made a motion to change the language of section 5-504.8 of the City Code to allow air admittance valves in buildings four or more stories in height. Breithaupt second the motion, the motion passed 4-0.

 

Adjourn

         

With no other business a motion was made by Hoag to adjourn the meeting, Carpenter second the motion, the motion passed 4-0.

 

Dillon adjourned the meeting at 8:40 p.m.